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“NPC idle animation” got a giggle
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/29/2023 12:49 AM
Well, its true.
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confabulation is just self-gaslighting ergo, i support it
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fourfiction
>writing as tulpaforcing
Lucilyn: very good for personality forcing of course, but it doesn't train the "communicating back and forth with your tulpa" muscle (unless you're specifically practicing vocality through writing their responses or something like that, which we never really recommend over plain talking in-mind) (edited)
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confabulation is just self-gaslighting ergo, i support it
BASED
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:50 AM
In a sense, all tulpamancy is confabulation, have you ever tried to retroactively change who did something in your system? Surprise, you can and its really easy. Thats the fundamental of how it everything works. When you learn tulpamancy you slowly learn to retroactively decide that your parroting was actually your tulpa. To the point it becomes different. (edited)
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/29/2023 12:50 AM
That's essentially what it is. I really stick to basic actions because they're easiest and more realistic to believe in
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Desting: you mean memory alteration?
12:51 AM
That’s scarily easy by itself
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗
That's essentially what it is. I really stick to basic actions because they're easiest and more realistic to believe in
This seems like neat advice (edited)
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fourfiction
Desting: you mean memory alteration?
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:52 AM
Not exactly memory alteration...
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A fancy way to say you made up an experience
berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:52 AM
Isnt that all of imagination?
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/29/2023 12:52 AM
Mhm. As long as the action isn't too impsctful and remains realistic for the world building of the wl, it shouldn't cause too many disruptions, at least personally.
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Reply to: This seems like neat advice
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:52 AM
Although its the same principle
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:53 AM
Regardless, your only window into the past is memories anyways
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Imagination involves you not trying to convince yourself it's real
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:53 AM
Especially in the context of imagination
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berockly (TTG)
Regardless, your only window into the past is memories anyways
Precisely why it’s fun to change them
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:53 AM
What i mean is, sometimes a headmate will say something, and if you try, you'll realize you can go "well actually it was this other headmate" and suddently it was them all along.
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:54 AM
Well, is it not, if you all agree?
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Imagination involves you not trying to convince yourself it's real
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:54 AM
But realism is not convincing of reality.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
What i mean is, sometimes a headmate will say something, and if you try, you'll realize you can go "well actually it was this other headmate" and suddently it was them all along.
Never had that experience
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I do things funny, but that's not so much the case for me. If I would have tried to do that I'd be like, yeah, nope, that was still (x).
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/29/2023 12:54 AM
For example, we have magic use in our wl, and use it frequently for fun. This aligns with our world building, so we can confabulate doing magic as long as it also aligns with being everyday for our standards
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Imagination involves you not trying to convince yourself it's real
berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:54 AM
But, its a made up experience
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I do things funny, but that's not so much the case for me. If I would have tried to do that I'd be like, yeah, nope, that was still (x).
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:54 AM
Thats because you cant convince yourself enough...
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:54 AM
If you remember a made up experienced happening in your made up world, whos to say its false
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:55 AM
But the skill you actually have it. You are already plural after all.
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The one time I had two headmates simultaneously they were very distinct and I couldn’t just substitute them for one another
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berockly (TTG)
If you remember a made up experienced happening in your made up world, whos to say its false
Diving into philosophy tonight lmao
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/29/2023 12:55 AM
We tend to.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 12:56 AM
To divide yourself you had to accept that part of you was actually someone else, which is the same im proposing in this experiment, just with another layer of it.
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:56 AM
Ive said this before But we (semi frequently, Once every week to daily) have times where there is a thought and its unclear where it came from
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So we just decide manually
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"Oh, it was you, i decided"
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Heres the best part in the conversation about imagination
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Huh
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:58 AM
Everything that's happening in your wonderland/dream when your not currently perceiving it is "confabulated"
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Y’all don’t think it is processing without your attention huh
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 12:58 AM
The only thing that exists in a dream or wonderland at any given moment is what is perceived, sort of like "render distance"
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The rest is implied to exist, because you associate it as existing
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I take the view that there's some level of autonomy in your head and if you force for long enough and you'll listen in closely you'll find some of that autonomy just kind of feels like your tulpa.
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Rather than considering it self-division or rooted 'Identity first", which I used to be really big on but I kind of moved away from it over time
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:00 AM
Or example, if you imagine a house, your own house for example, and go inside of a room
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:00 AM
Well, i think its a bit different, i think at the start its just you forcing, until you fully convince yourself otherwise to the point its clearly different.
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And when I say some level of autonomy I'm not really thinking about full parallel processing sort of thing, but just sort of the idea that everything that goes on in your head is a little bit out of your control and you can kind of play with that fuzziness
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Well, i think its a bit different, i think at the start its just you forcing, until you fully convince yourself otherwise to the point its clearly different.
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:01 AM
At that point it is out of your control to a certain extent of course
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Yeah my experiences have always seemed to point at near-total autonomy in relation to wonderland
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:01 AM
Well The funny part is that the mind is perfectly capable of autonomy without people realizing it
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:02 AM
You should actually try, retroactive headmate changing is possible. (unless what they said is extremely characteristic of one of them and you are fully convinced it would be them).
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But if a headmate goes: "hey, what are you going to do today?" or something generic like that. You can then go and accept it was someone else
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Not in a “exists separate from attention” sort of way, but more of how the brain can give it attention in the background just ‘under’ your perception if that makes sense
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berockly (TTG)
Well The funny part is that the mind is perfectly capable of autonomy without people realizing it
berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:02 AM
Dreams are a big examle
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Example
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:02 AM
Of course it breaks all the realism and fun and roleplay, so people keep it to a minimum
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:03 AM
Dream characters are almost perfectly autonomous from the get go How in depth they are depends
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Yeah bc your brain is animating them. While not ‘you’, per se.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
But if a headmate goes: "hey, what are you going to do today?" or something generic like that. You can then go and accept it was someone else
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:04 AM
you can also accept it was actually you asking them, or stuff like that...
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But thats a bit harder as the intention never went that way
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The bridge between conscious and unconscious will is mainly where my fascination with tulpas resides
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I feel like a lot of it is just that your brain has zero expectations for reality when you're dreaming so the characters are actually crazy inconsistent, You just don't care
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And dreams are the perfect visual aid for that
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I feel like a lot of it is just that your brain has zero expectations for reality when you're dreaming so the characters are actually crazy inconsistent, You just don't care
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:06 AM
Its just totally this
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dream characters are PRNGs
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And then there’s the reappearing characters lmao
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:08 AM
With are just as random but they have a face so "LOL IT WAS TOTALLY THEM OMG"
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Because thats how brains work on dreams
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Idk I’ve had a couple that were always in character and hella lucid
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Of course the lucidity of those dreams probably played a part now that I think about it
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:10 AM
Yeah
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The brains a fuckin trip
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I feel like a lot of it is just that your brain has zero expectations for reality when you're dreaming so the characters are actually crazy inconsistent, You just don't care
berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:12 AM
Thats partly your own association
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Some people have completely consistent characters
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And, your expectations are part of what build dreams
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Very common knowledge in lucid dreaming servers(which this is not)
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/29/2023 1:20 AM
Thats depending on the lucidity of the dreams, but everyone has nonsense dreams (they might just be harder to remember for obvious reasons)
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Dreams are weird, pretty sure I haven't had one for the last two days. And of the times I did have dreams, I had very specific dreams that repeated several times, just last week I had a dream I had had a couple of years ago and it was consistent with the original but with new people I've met over the years
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To clarify, I do have normal dreams most days, I just don't remember them at all
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V || Crow’s Nest 3(🏝)0 BOT 4/29/2023 1:23 AM
We haven't had any dreams we remember lately
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I’ve had dreams where I revisit the locations of past dreams and the locations had aged >.>
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Thats depending on the lucidity of the dreams, but everyone has nonsense dreams (they might just be harder to remember for obvious reasons)
berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:24 AM
Everyone does have them
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But Its silly to think dreams are always that way
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For everyone
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I wish i could lucid dream tbh Never been able to
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fourfiction
I’ve had dreams where I revisit the locations of past dreams and the locations had aged >.>
That happens too
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The ONE lucid dream I’ve ever had was a life changing experience
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I sometimes know it's a dream but can't control it, and it doesn't feel like the description of lucid dreams
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0/10 never again
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I've had two actual lucid dreams where I could feel everything perfectly, one was amazing and the other one was shit
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~Moonlight~
I sometimes know it's a dream but can't control it, and it doesn't feel like the description of lucid dreams
berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:27 AM
Well Then your lucid
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Mine was like even more vivid than real life. Could feel the breeze and shit.
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:28 AM
Thats all lucid dreams are
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In one I spent an hour talking to my mind's version of my best friend at that time, In the other one I tripped into someone and we both died I think
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:28 AM
You are aware of dream stät
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I legit jumped into the stratosphere and felt VERY real fear falling back down lmao
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But aren't I supposed to be able to control it or feel stuff more realistically?
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berockly (TTG) 4/29/2023 1:29 AM
Thats a separate but highly related skill
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From becoming lucid
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I've thought in dreams before "huh this is a dream" but then not even fully realized and done nothing about it
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On those I faintly remembered having a dream like that and related it that way, but it's more like, it felt either like a dream or a deja vu.
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